Ad #877240 / Eagle1 / George Clark / feed back please
06-12-2007, 02:46 PM
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Please keep us posted....Since he advertised it on the internet and you bought it then he has placed himself in a bad position right there...He represented it to be a MW rear end and in fact it is not, so another strike on him...The man needs to stand up and give your money back and this will all go away for him...Or else he can ride it out and maybe go behind bars and spend lots of money to fight with the authorities and still have to give your money back...and perhaps we need to pm him and ask him to join us in this section and let him have his say...Good luck
06-12-2007, 07:12 PM
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If you guys think that would help and get a response out of him, I'm all for it. Probably the only way to get a word in cause he won't let you talk on the phone, just gets nasty and hangs up. Which is why I think he's hiding something. :wink:
By the way just got my letter from Jason at MW stating the housing is not their's. The problem with the studs is the two center studs on each side of the right and left axle tube have the internal tube gussets welded over the top of them. Because of this, it's very labor intensive to cut all this out and reinstall. Other wise this would be simple fix.
Here is what he had to say:
"Bill,
To start out this housing is not a Mark Williams housing. The third member studs are so bent we can not get the center section in. We attempted to bend the studs back but we didn't succeed. The only way to check alignment is to remove all the studs, but to do this we would have to remove the gussets inside the housing. The labor to r & r the studs check alignment and reinstall the housing ends would be around $1000.00 + Due to the high cost I would suggest to build a new housing."
Jason Schade
Sales/Contingency
Mark Williams Enterprises
765 S. Pierce Ave
Louisville, CO 80027
800-525-1963
By the way just got my letter from Jason at MW stating the housing is not their's. The problem with the studs is the two center studs on each side of the right and left axle tube have the internal tube gussets welded over the top of them. Because of this, it's very labor intensive to cut all this out and reinstall. Other wise this would be simple fix.
Here is what he had to say:
"Bill,
To start out this housing is not a Mark Williams housing. The third member studs are so bent we can not get the center section in. We attempted to bend the studs back but we didn't succeed. The only way to check alignment is to remove all the studs, but to do this we would have to remove the gussets inside the housing. The labor to r & r the studs check alignment and reinstall the housing ends would be around $1000.00 + Due to the high cost I would suggest to build a new housing."
Jason Schade
Sales/Contingency
Mark Williams Enterprises
765 S. Pierce Ave
Louisville, CO 80027
800-525-1963
06-12-2007, 07:21 PM
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Well I sent Eagle1 a message that he is welcome to come here and tell his side if he wants, so I guess that covers that but if I were the buyer I would do what I felt I had to do, as the seller has done what he felt he needed to do....
06-12-2007, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lotsof454sss
Well I sent Eagle1 a message that he is welcome to come here and tell his side if he wants, so I guess that covers that but if I were the buyer I would do what I felt I had to do, as the seller has done what he felt he needed to do....
06-12-2007, 07:49 PM
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Oh, thought maybe you got a response from him on the PM. I'll post a photo of the problem area. Maybe it will help in understanding part of the the problem. 
See how the gussets on each side of the tube cover the two center studs? Expensive to fix since they need to be replaced! There are numerous issues with this thing besides the obvious misrepresentation. I could over look the fact it's not an MW if it were in reasonable condition.
See how the gussets on each side of the tube cover the two center studs? Expensive to fix since they need to be replaced! There are numerous issues with this thing besides the obvious misrepresentation. I could over look the fact it's not an MW if it were in reasonable condition.
06-13-2007, 02:52 PM
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LISTEN TO THE TRUTH
Listen to the truth!
Before I am hung without a trial.
I am not calling this person any names whatsoever.
But what I am going to do is let you know what he did not mention.
Before I start, I would like you to know that I have been with R/J a long time - have made 12-13 honor payments.
What this guy did not mention:
Did he mention that I asked for a holding deposit in case someone else wanted it?
No he did not.
Did he mention that he said he was coming down to personally inspect to his satisfaction and if he liked what he saw he would buy?
No he did not.
Did he mention that he wanted me to trade in a a set of 4 tires on the parts as he did not want the tires?
No he did not.
Did he mention that I did not want the tires?
Did he mention that I had different size rims?
Did he mention that he brought the tires down as a trade in anyway?
No he did not.
Did he mention that he got aggrivated when I did not want his tires?
Did he mention that we pulled the parts out of the box and I told him that the parts were only finger tight and I wanted to undo everythjing for him to inspect?
Did he mention that he refused?
Did he mention that the center flange he is now showing pictures of was completely visible as there was no center and that he did inspect that part?
No he did not.
Did he mention that he knew he was buying this "as is" with no warranty or guarantee - if he bought it it was a done deal and it was his. It was a done deal.
No he did not.
Did he mention to tell you that he knew that and still did not want it apart?
Did he mention that I told him that I bought the complete rearend with the center and all and decided to go to a Strange Floater?
He did not.
Did he tell you I even showed him the floater in my car and that was the reason for selling it?
Did he mention that when I bought this item as a M/W setup? The center in it was a M/W and the axles were M/W also. So I presumed the housing was, but there were no markings on it so I was not sure.
Did he mention that he said that was not important?
Did he mention that I gave him a copy of the actual Lamb receipt showing that every part in the brakes were replaced - even all the bleed nipples and their bodies (except the the crossover tube)? (Lamb Parts are not cheap but, they are the best.)
Did he mention that I also sent him a copy of the receipt from M/W showing that I even replaced the bearings and locks on the axles? I put this in the ad.
Did he mention that I wanted to give him a receipt for his money also showing that he had inspected these parts to his satifaction and taking them "as is" and the TX sales tax were still due pending a Tax Certificate? Did he mention that he refused the receipt?
Did he mention that he did not pay sales tax as he was sending me a tax certificate?
He did not.
He did leave a card showing a business for the certificate (still have the card).
Did he mention that he has not sent in the the certificate or paid the sales tax yet?
He did not.
Did he mention that the B/S as he puts it was him talking about his perfect car?
LET ME ASK YOU READERS SOME QUESTIONS.
Would you drive 8 hours to personally inspect a part that you refused to put a deposit on before you inspected it and and then claim that during your B/S you completely forgot to inspect all the parts?
Would you refuse to sign a receipt for your money and the condition that you purchaced it?
Would you at least let the seller, when he offered, pull it apart (that is take the Lamb brakes off with calipers and just slip out the axles as it was all clean and finger tight and would take 2 minutes) to let you see the new parts and the new bearings and make any inspection you desired, knowing full well that there were no warranties or guarantees on the parts if you bought them?
Would you pay $450 to have the so called bad end replaced when Strange and anybody else will charge only $200? Call Strange, they will tell you. I have a quote from them
Would you pay $168 one way to ship a housing that weighs 50 maybe 60lbs when you can get it shipped both ways for $50? I have written quotes.
Why is this man showing pictures of a housing that he claims he bought that is so torn up, when the same pictures is what you see when there is no center?
If it was so bad as he claims and he can see all this, WHY DID HE BUY IT?
If you were the seller and the buyer claims that the center flange is so bad now (not when he bought it) that you cannot even fit a center in it?
If you had the origin M/W center that came with same housing and you had it in the housing and took it out to sell it, what would you say?
And if the seller calls you up and cusses you out and claims that you
scammed him and set him up, would you just hang up?
Just like I did.
You always should leave a door open. Once you close it, it is closed.
This a done deal.
If any of you readers who have not judged and hung me without hearing both sides would like to see a copy of the invoices and the quote from Strange and the actual shipping quote and anything else, just email me thru R/J.
Been an honest person all my life and now this guy has publicly threatened me that he will meet me one day at a race meet and publicly claimed that I am a scammer. That is defemation of my good name and character. My attorney will now get involved in this.
I am sure the seller will put another dozen I am a good guy and he is a bad guy but all I ask is that you put yourself in my shoes.
This will be my only posting.
I do thank you for your time and reading this.
Before I am hung without a trial.
I am not calling this person any names whatsoever.
But what I am going to do is let you know what he did not mention.
Before I start, I would like you to know that I have been with R/J a long time - have made 12-13 honor payments.
What this guy did not mention:
Did he mention that I asked for a holding deposit in case someone else wanted it?
No he did not.
Did he mention that he said he was coming down to personally inspect to his satisfaction and if he liked what he saw he would buy?
No he did not.
Did he mention that he wanted me to trade in a a set of 4 tires on the parts as he did not want the tires?
No he did not.
Did he mention that I did not want the tires?
Did he mention that I had different size rims?
Did he mention that he brought the tires down as a trade in anyway?
No he did not.
Did he mention that he got aggrivated when I did not want his tires?
Did he mention that we pulled the parts out of the box and I told him that the parts were only finger tight and I wanted to undo everythjing for him to inspect?
Did he mention that he refused?
Did he mention that the center flange he is now showing pictures of was completely visible as there was no center and that he did inspect that part?
No he did not.
Did he mention that he knew he was buying this "as is" with no warranty or guarantee - if he bought it it was a done deal and it was his. It was a done deal.
No he did not.
Did he mention to tell you that he knew that and still did not want it apart?
Did he mention that I told him that I bought the complete rearend with the center and all and decided to go to a Strange Floater?
He did not.
Did he tell you I even showed him the floater in my car and that was the reason for selling it?
Did he mention that when I bought this item as a M/W setup? The center in it was a M/W and the axles were M/W also. So I presumed the housing was, but there were no markings on it so I was not sure.
Did he mention that he said that was not important?
Did he mention that I gave him a copy of the actual Lamb receipt showing that every part in the brakes were replaced - even all the bleed nipples and their bodies (except the the crossover tube)? (Lamb Parts are not cheap but, they are the best.)
Did he mention that I also sent him a copy of the receipt from M/W showing that I even replaced the bearings and locks on the axles? I put this in the ad.
Did he mention that I wanted to give him a receipt for his money also showing that he had inspected these parts to his satifaction and taking them "as is" and the TX sales tax were still due pending a Tax Certificate? Did he mention that he refused the receipt?
Did he mention that he did not pay sales tax as he was sending me a tax certificate?
He did not.
He did leave a card showing a business for the certificate (still have the card).
Did he mention that he has not sent in the the certificate or paid the sales tax yet?
He did not.
Did he mention that the B/S as he puts it was him talking about his perfect car?
LET ME ASK YOU READERS SOME QUESTIONS.
Would you drive 8 hours to personally inspect a part that you refused to put a deposit on before you inspected it and and then claim that during your B/S you completely forgot to inspect all the parts?
Would you refuse to sign a receipt for your money and the condition that you purchaced it?
Would you at least let the seller, when he offered, pull it apart (that is take the Lamb brakes off with calipers and just slip out the axles as it was all clean and finger tight and would take 2 minutes) to let you see the new parts and the new bearings and make any inspection you desired, knowing full well that there were no warranties or guarantees on the parts if you bought them?
Would you pay $450 to have the so called bad end replaced when Strange and anybody else will charge only $200? Call Strange, they will tell you. I have a quote from them
Would you pay $168 one way to ship a housing that weighs 50 maybe 60lbs when you can get it shipped both ways for $50? I have written quotes.
Why is this man showing pictures of a housing that he claims he bought that is so torn up, when the same pictures is what you see when there is no center?
If it was so bad as he claims and he can see all this, WHY DID HE BUY IT?
If you were the seller and the buyer claims that the center flange is so bad now (not when he bought it) that you cannot even fit a center in it?
If you had the origin M/W center that came with same housing and you had it in the housing and took it out to sell it, what would you say?
And if the seller calls you up and cusses you out and claims that you
scammed him and set him up, would you just hang up?
Just like I did.
You always should leave a door open. Once you close it, it is closed.
This a done deal.
If any of you readers who have not judged and hung me without hearing both sides would like to see a copy of the invoices and the quote from Strange and the actual shipping quote and anything else, just email me thru R/J.
Been an honest person all my life and now this guy has publicly threatened me that he will meet me one day at a race meet and publicly claimed that I am a scammer. That is defemation of my good name and character. My attorney will now get involved in this.
I am sure the seller will put another dozen I am a good guy and he is a bad guy but all I ask is that you put yourself in my shoes.
This will be my only posting.
I do thank you for your time and reading this.
06-13-2007, 04:24 PM
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HEY--BLITTLE----EXPLAIN YOURSELF---ARE THESE STATEMENTS TRUE OR NOT---IF YOU REFUSED TO INSPECT IT AFTER DRIVING THAT FAR THEN SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT ABOUT THIS DEAL[--I CHECK EVERYTHING I GO AND BUY OR I CAN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT LATER][ IT IS MY OWN FAULT]--SORRY I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS ONE AT ALL!!!--MY 2 CENTS WORTH--JUST TRYING TO BE FAIR
06-13-2007, 05:32 PM
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Thanks for coming in Eagle1.....We always like to hear both sides in situations brought up so that is why I contacted you...It makes for more things to think thru and be fair to all....lotsof454sss