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WHEELER POWER PRODUCTS.....THE GREAT AMERICAN LOOSERS
This posting is about the success story of 1 man against WHEELER POWER PRODUCTS.
Pete and Jackie Wheeler tried to ripp me off with an engine. 5 months later i have my money back and have had WHEELERS succesfully suspended from EBAY. Who is laughing now Wheeler.I suspect that the FBI will soon be banging on your door too. If WHEELER is still advertising here,stay well away from them..! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.........GOOD WILL ALWAYS CONQUER EVIL :D SHAME ON YOU PETE and JACKIE WHEELER |
Care to give more details? How did they try to rip you off?
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Paid for engine which they promised in about 6 weeks. Then told me 8 to 10. After 21 weeks of excuses i got my money back. Wheeler spends more effort trying to screw people than just supplying what they advertise. If he spent the time ordering parts that he spends making excuses he would have built the engine in 3 weeks like any normal reputable establishment would. Anyway its good that he isn't on EBAY anymore and it appears he isnt here either. So i like to post and let people know about this creep so that they dont pay cash and get screwed, because then they cant bachcharge on credit or have any other protection |
Thanks for the heads up so others might not go through what you did.
Glad to hear you got your money back. |
Amen. Good news...
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Wheeler has someone on eBay posting his engines for him...a company Hardcore Horsepower out of Murfreesboro Tn is advertising Wheeler engines.
They call the Wheeler block the "Gladiator CR" BBC block go on eBay and search race engines... also look up item# 200646670440... i am looking for a BBC for my car and saw this ad...then i remembered reading something about Wheeler in the RJ Scammer forum is this the same guy? dw |
WHEELER POWER PRODUCTS
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I had a look and YES it is a wheeler block and most other parts as well. I can't comment on the other engine items but i suspect that because he hasn;t listed the item product names. ie.....scat 4340, eagle 4340 , Mahle etc that they are wheelers chinese knock offs. There are plenty of other reviews about wheelers engines destroying themselves on there first outing. Send the guy a email and ask for brand names of ALL the components. If any of the items are PROCOMP or WHEELER. Stay fare fare away. Also beware of the SCAM where you have 45 days to raise a dispute if you buy with ebay or paypal. After 45 days they really dont want to know you. If there is any mention from the EBAY seller that it is " a custom item"......STAY FARE AWAY. The reason being that EBAY/PAYPAL state they dont cover custom built items. After 45 days the add disappears . Where i beat wheeler was i copy and pasted his add in a email which said DART BLOCK,DART PRO1 HEADS,JESSEL etc etc. A guy named REID Robertson replied stating yes , they are the components as advertised. I think he got sacked soon after as he isnt there anymore. Wheelers ploy is to offer excuses to push you past the 45 days.Also to lie about engine and internals.I see in the small print at hardcore that there is a 4-12 week build time.( after 21 weeks of excuses i went after wheeler)I would take take my money elswhere if i was you. It isnt worth the drama. Maybe let the guy at hardcore be aware of all the wheeler issues posted on the web.I am happy to send you copies of my purchase reciepts,dates for proof of wheelers scams |
engine builders..... general statements JMO
I have had 5 motors built in the last 6 years. 1 sbc and 4 BBC's. The general statements I am comfotable with putting on this forum( that I can back up) is this, all of them have not come in on time, as per the builders time frame. 2 of them lasted less than 50 miles, 2 of them did not have the internal components that I was told they had (lower grade). 1 of them was better than expected as far quickness/speed and power. The rest were under the expected power.1 of the motor failures was a verified fautly part, so I did not "hold that against the motor builder" All the builders I have used are reputable well known builders. I have paid cash or check to all of them as I promised in the time frame I promised. All of them did not return calls/emails in a timely fashion. JMO. Most have told me the delays were based on poor quality from suppliers, vacations, unexcepted employee issues, things came out their control, etc.
What I have learned: 1.How much you pay does not always mean better/lesser quality or honesty or on time delivery 2.If you are told 3 weeks, good possibly it will be 6 weeks or better. 3.Keep in contact with them and follow up, be persistent even after not getting return calls/emails. 4. always be honest with the builders, do not make stuff up but if you have an issue bring it to their attention, also pay them properly. I feel this gives the customer the "strength" to be strong with their "concerns". 5.I know this is all basic info, but it has been my experiences Jeff 708-308-0282 |
1 out of 5 hey.
Thats a no brainer which builder you will go back too. Are you implying ALL engine builders are crooks? |
Wheeler back on RJ
I just noticed today that Wheeler has several ad running for engines again...
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no all motor are not crooks
No I do not want to imply that all motor builders are not crooks, the statements and opinions are from my own experience. Which I have learned from. I like three of the builders both as people and professionally, but they were all later than promised, all did not return calls , and because of the nature of these experiences I have learned to not to bank on them having the motor done when promised. Hey maybe its me, I maybe too demanding ?????
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hey bixblk post the names of good engine builders who have built your engines and are happy with, thats good info for everybody.
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Just courious, how many motors have you had built?
New motor with a lot of machine work or a simple rebuild? It's rare a engine builder gets a motor back to you in a hurry. I've had one sit for more than 6 months and yea, I was pissed, but I would never call the guy a crook. He built me one hell of a tough motor. It was a brand new build and they always take a lot longer to do. My bill was also a lot more than I was told. I wasn't real happy about that, but all the extra cost was from upgrade of parts. (ie: 1 thing was a new intake almost an extra $800). I could have been pissed about that, but I felt it was worth it in the long run to have the best parts available for my investment. The last thing I want my builder to do is get in a hurry to get me my motor back because I'm bugging the crap out of him. I'm not saying it's right for a builder to tell you it will be 6 weeks and its 12 weeks and he hasn't been in contact with the customer. It happens and I also would not call him a crook or scammer just because it took to long. IMO I need more info and to hear his side of the story before I can make a decision. |
Hey dont take my word for it.
Have a good search over the internet and see how many other people WHEELER has screwed ! or tried to. The facts are if a responsible professional states 4 to 8 weeks build then they should produce. Any normal person like i did gave them the benifit of doubt. But 20 weeks is way to much. If you think there ok, then go buy one of there chinese block and heads and have it fall apart on the first outing. Wake up america ! Its people like WHEELER who are taking away your jobs and you are supporting him. GO FIGGER THAT OUT |
Originally Posted by fordchevchrysler
Hey dont take my word for it.
Have a good search over the internet and see how many other people WHEELER has screwed ! or tried to. The facts are if a responsible professional states 4 to 8 weeks build then they should produce. Any normal person like i did gave them the benifit of doubt. But 20 weeks is way to much. If you think there ok, then go buy one of there chinese block and heads and have it fall apart on the first outing. Wake up america ! Its people like WHEELER who are taking away your jobs and you are supporting him. GO FIGGER THAT OUT BTW you do know the computer you used to post this in the scammer section was not made in the USA. I'm all for buying in the USA, but you were happy to to buy none USA parts until they were late. |
I think most people would be surprised how much name brand products they use and think they are USA made . that is imported from other countries a lot more than you would think.
i don't know anything about wheeler and I'm not taking any side here. |
More Wheeler Dealer ads
Ad 1661338. More of their ads there too.
You just can't keep a good guy down. I guess they know if someone responds to their ads, after all their popularity, they have a fish to reel in. |
I looked at wheelers stuff at the PRI show and you get what you pay for. The machine work seems to be good. I think that to stay in buisness these days and competitive you do what you have to with in reason imo.
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QUOTE.....BTW you do know the computer you used to post this in the scammer section was not made in the USA. I'm all for buying in the USA, but you were happy to to buy none USA parts until they were late.
_________________ Rabbit Powered by SVRE You make a lot of assumptions RABBIT. Do you work for WHEELER ? Well WHEELER advertised DART block, DART HEADS etc etc. After talking to other posters who had been screwed by wheeler it was apparent that his methods are to bullshit about how he cant get parts from suppliers but will happily give you one of his chinese block and heads instead which he has in stock. Sure he sucked me in and i will never recommend him to anyone. But i got my money back from Paypal and he got booted from EBAY. Do you really think EBAY would remove him for know reason.? AND MY COMPUTER IS AMERICAN BRAND........LOL Anyhow i have listed below the Dictionary meaning of SCAMMER, just for you. Meaning: A person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud Classified under: Nouns denoting people Synonyms: chiseler; chiseller; defrauder; grifter; scammer; swindler; gouger Hypernyms ("scammer" is a kind of...): beguiler; cheat; cheater; deceiver; slicker; trickster (someone who leads you to believe something that is not true) Hyponyms (each of the following is a kind of "scammer"): card shark; card sharp; card sharper; cardsharp; cardsharper; sharper; sharpie; sharpy (a professional card player who makes a living by cheating at card games) clip artist (a swindler who fleeces the victim) con artist; con man; confidence man (a swindler who exploits the confidence of his victim) welcher; welsher (someone who swindles you by not repaying a debt or wager) |
OMG, Rabbit works for WHEELER?!?!?!?!?
All this time we never knew... :roll: |
he must be a WHEELER DEALER !!!!! 8) 8)
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Originally Posted by fordchevchrysler
QUOTE.....BTW you do know the computer you used to post this in the scammer section was not made in the USA. I'm all for buying in the USA, but you were happy to to buy none USA parts until they were late.
_________________ Rabbit Powered by SVRE You make a lot of assumptions RABBIT. Do you work for WHEELER ? Well WHEELER advertised DART block, DART HEADS etc etc. After talking to other posters who had been screwed by wheeler it was apparent that his methods are to bullshit about how he cant get parts from suppliers but will happily give you one of his chinese block and heads instead which he has in stock. Sure he sucked me in and i will never recommend him to anyone. But i got my money back from Paypal and he got booted from EBAY. Do you really think EBAY would remove him for know reason.? AND MY COMPUTER IS AMERICAN BRAND........LOL Anyhow i have listed below the Dictionary meaning of SCAMMER, just for you. Meaning: A person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud Classified under: Nouns denoting people Synonyms: chiseler; chiseller; defrauder; grifter; scammer; swindler; gouger Hypernyms ("scammer" is a kind of...): beguiler; cheat; cheater; deceiver; slicker; trickster (someone who leads you to believe something that is not true) Hyponyms (each of the following is a kind of "scammer"): card shark; card sharp; card sharper; cardsharp; cardsharper; sharper; sharpie; sharpy (a professional card player who makes a living by cheating at card games) clip artist (a swindler who fleeces the victim) con artist; con man; confidence man (a swindler who exploits the confidence of his victim) welcher; welsher (someone who swindles you by not repaying a debt or wager) ( engine builder that takes too long) (Person that accuses engine builder of being a scammer because he took too long) Actually I don't assume. I'm more into facts than hear say and that's all I ask. And by your post and the definition that you help me with he has not scammed you. Sorry, but I don't work for Wheeler. Although I did work for a company called Wheeler's in the early 90's. It was like Tractor Supply not an automotive. IF a person can't get parts from X supplier and tells you he can get them from XX and you agree it not a scam. If he tells you he will install X parts in your motor and he installs XX and doesn't tell (or ask you in advance )then we have a problem. I'm not trying to be a prick, but by what you posted you have not proved to me that Wheeler has scammed you. Just because you got your money back doesn't prove your case to me. You have posted a public company on the internet as a scammer and you know he is not going to get on here to defend himself. I'm not just going to jump in and say I agree with you (YET.) |
In all fairness... Rabbit brings some common-sense thinking to the table & if we are totally open minded & honest about what he said, I believe he has a point. JMO
"IF a person can't get parts from X supplier and tells you he can get them from XX and you agree it not a scam. If he tells you he will install X parts in your motor and he installs XX and doesn't tell (or ask you in advance )then we have a problem". "You have posted a public company on the internet as a scammer and you know he is not going to get on here to defend himself. I'm not just going to jump in and say I agree with you (YET.)" |
Hmmmmm......
Becoming quite hilarious this. Now there is another assumption that i AGREED. Anyway , i am not playing your .....lets stick up for wheeler....game anymore. We had a contract , and wheeler broke it in more ways than one. And he defiantly depicts the dictionary meaning of SCAMMER. It seems aparent that the consencous is that it takes 6 months to build an engine.......LOL Lets see.....dart complete bottom end and heads from DART are of the shelf items. Carby, manifold , camshaft , sump etc etc are off the shelf items. Maybe some machining for manifold. 1 to 2 weeks parts gathering and 2 weeks assembly being generous, and 1 week on the dyno. I was never good at math but i am sure that adds to 5 weeks.All money paid up front. GO FIGURE. He is lucky i never sued him for loss of money for pre arranged shipping etc. Sure he wont get on here to defend himself because he knows he will loose. Have emails 10 weeks after payment which state " we are still in the parts gathering stage" WHAT A JOKE. Like i said. If you think its OK . Go buy there products. :D YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED |
Re: WHEELER POWER PRODUCTS.....THE GREAT AMERICAN LOOSERS
Originally Posted by fordchevchrysler
This posting is about the success story of 1 man against WHEELER POWER PRODUCTS.
Pete and Jackie Wheeler tried to ripp me off with an engine. 5 months later i have my money back and have had WHEELERS succesfully suspended from EBAY. Who is laughing now Wheeler.I suspect that the FBI will soon be banging on your door too. If WHEELER is still advertising here,stay well away from them..! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.........GOOD WILL ALWAYS CONQUER EVIL :D SHAME ON YOU PETE and JACKIE WHEELER I went on there web site and they tell you what your getting for the money you pay. I dont know what you were paying for but to bash them about the parts they use is wrong when they tell you up front whats going in the engine right on there web site, so to post this in the scammer section is not the place. I geuss i would be mad to if i was told my engine wasnt built in the time they said, thats all this is about. |
Slow down turbo... not trying to get ya all fired up here; just saying that Wabb-itt has a point. All he is saying is waiting too long does not make them crooks... "scammer" is a strong word for being late... this seems to be more of a breech of contract
In the past, many of us have assumed (myself included) that if someone filed a scammer compliant here they were usually correct. This would often be assumed when the other side did not defend themselves or know that their name was being challenged here. Sometimes, other circumstances would be brought into the scenario when the other party did defend themselves. Defendants are HUMAN to.... sometimes it could be illness, family problems, financial trouble, oversights/mistakes, & even death that contributed to the problem. Glad you got your money back. It could have gone so much worse if they are as bad as you say. Just being open-minded; not trying to aggravate ya. :) |
Originally Posted by fordchevchrysler
Hmmmmm......
Becoming quite hilarious this. Now there is another assumption that i AGREED. Anyway , i am not playing your .....lets stick up for wheeler....game anymore. We had a contract , and wheeler broke it in more ways than one. And he defiantly depicts the dictionary meaning of SCAMMER. It seems aparent that the consencous is that it takes 6 months to build an engine.......LOL Lets see.....dart complete bottom end and heads from DART are of the shelf items. Carby, manifold , camshaft , sump etc etc are off the shelf items. Maybe some machining for manifold. 1 to 2 weeks parts gathering and 2 weeks assembly being generous, and 1 week on the dyno. I was never good at math but i am sure that adds to 5 weeks.All money paid up front. GO FIGURE. He is lucky i never sued him for loss of money for pre arranged shipping etc. Sure he wont get on here to defend himself because he knows he will loose. Have emails 10 weeks after payment which state " we are still in the parts gathering stage" WHAT A JOKE. Like i said. If you think its OK . Go buy there products. :D YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED You never answered the questions I ask you. If you have had several motors build before I'm sure you had one in the machine shop way longer than you expected. As I stated before I had a 548 in a machine shop from about January till July. I bought all the parts and took to them and it still took that long. I was pissed it took so long, but I would never call the builder a scammer. I knew he had turned out several motors that came in after mine, but he still was not a scammer. Sometimes people don't understand the power of a forum and the serious damage it can do to a buisness and I don't think it's fair to slander somebody that could cuase him future loose of income just because he was late. At this time that has not even been proved. I would like to see the refund for proof that it had to be given. And all that would tell me was that he did not meet the timeline of delivery and that's still not a scam. If he did not give a refund then we would have been a scam. I'm NOT saying being late is ok, but being slow or late happens. One problem may be a lack of communication on the builders end and that makes matters even worse. |
I got put in the scammer section over one of my venders for not replacing a part . Just recent it has cost me a lot for sure.
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Originally Posted by rlmotorsports
I got put in the scammer section over one of my venders for not replacing a part . Just recent it has cost me a lot for sure.
A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE :? :shock: |
Originally Posted by rlmotorsports
I got put in the scammer section over one of my venders for not replacing a part . Just recent it has cost me a lot for sure.
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Re: WHEELER POWER PRODUCTS.....THE GREAT AMERICAN LOOSERS
Originally Posted by fordchevchrysler
This posting is about the success story of 1 man against WHEELER POWER PRODUCTS.
Pete and Jackie Wheeler tried to ripp me off with an engine. 5 months later i have my money back and have had WHEELERS succesfully suspended from EBAY. Who is laughing now Wheeler.I suspect that the FBI will soon be banging on your door too. If WHEELER is still advertising here,stay well away from them..! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.........GOOD WILL ALWAYS CONQUER EVIL :D SHAME ON YOU PETE and JACKIE WHEELER |
Re: WHEELER POWER PRODUCTS.....THE GREAT AMERICAN LOOSERS
Originally Posted by lively
Originally Posted by fordchevchrysler
This posting is about the success story of 1 man against WHEELER POWER PRODUCTS.
Pete and Jackie Wheeler tried to ripp me off with an engine. 5 months later i have my money back and have had WHEELERS succesfully suspended from EBAY. Who is laughing now Wheeler.I suspect that the FBI will soon be banging on your door too. If WHEELER is still advertising here,stay well away from them..! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.........GOOD WILL ALWAYS CONQUER EVIL :D SHAME ON YOU PETE and JACKIE WHEELER |
I understand Rigsby i guess it was going to happen sooner or later i have been on here a long time and had never made this section .
And i was never looking to be here but thanks to Mr.Williams i made it. i just hope it didn't cause to much damage . |
NOPE--NOT WITH US !!!!! :lol: 8)
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Thanks Lively i am very appreciative of all the support from you guy's.
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Ron you did the best anyone could ask for! Sorry things didn't work out better,good guy in my book :wink:
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Ron,
I think the respect meter definitely went up another level with the members here. You stepped up and took care of the problem. As for the deal with Wheeler... This company has a long history in the motorsports industry. I don't recall anything negative prior to this. I know that in business it is impossible to please 100% of your customers. I think there is another side to the story, as with any deal. JMO |
Thanks wazup and swanp i do appreciate it .
There can be a lot of details not known it would be a good ideal for wheeler to get on here and tell his side like others have said . I checked out there site also it is a big company you would think they would tell there side but maybe they just hope it all will go away kinda quick and move on. I don't know anything about wheeler and i hate to see people run into this kind of problems but things do happen and not all are scammers . but like my vendor it was way to long. |
The last thing I want to do is deter people from posting about a problem in here. I just don't like it when someone post they were scammed when in reality they may not have been. Some people get pretty mad when you start asking for facts and proof and think we are taking up for the scammer and that's not the case.
I really wish this guy would have answered some of my questions so we could have gotten more proof of what happened on this one. He said he had a contract. I'd like to see a copy of it so I could see exactly what was in it. There really may be a problem here. He just didn't present it very well IMO. |
and BTW, Ron, you had a problem and took care of it. THAT IS WHAT CUSTOMER SERVICE IS.
No problem doing business with you at all. In fact that may even bring you some new business in the future!! :wink: |
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