Tree Readers and Race analyzers
 

Has anyone ran across another driver using any of these devices?
I recently got beat by a driver using the Race analyzer (Matty Box).
I also think he had a tree reader but I haven't found any information on the tree reader. The race analyzer is made by Richard Matty. www.mattyinnovations.com. I think it is bulls--t but until someone steps up and puts a stop to the damn cheating, I'm gonna do my part and find out as much info as possible so I will no what to look for.

I don't see a problem with the race analyzer aslong as the display is disconnected, just like it says is possible on the website. Other than that, its just a data logger. Just my opinion

Re: Tree Readers and Race analyzers
 

Havent you ever heard of the Dirty Dozen ??

These boxes been around for years and are 100% legal in time trials. All they have to do is be unhooked.

IMO this post is BS ... tree reader, matty box who cares be .00 and dead on and you'll get the win light.

I dont agree with people that run them but its something that all of racing has delt with before.

I have heard of the "dirty dozen" but I didn't no what type of box they were using. I'm trying to get enough information on the systems so I will no what to look for. I no how the matty box works and how it is wired in but I haven't found any info on the LED bulb reader yet.

thats because you wont find anyone who actually has them on a site or anything .. and I doubt you'll find anyone who has one on a car

There is always somebody willing to talk :!:

I am willing to talk ..yes sir .. willing to tell you not to worry about the BS your on here wanting to know about .. you should really focus on being 00 and dead on and not worry about the other guy. Cheaters are always going to be around, thats the way of the world but if this guy has got in your head he is cheating then your beat before you even race....


still willing to keep talking on this subject if you'd like :!: :arrow:

Ok...you got me. I'm a cheater. I have a device that intercepts the signal from the starter to the tree,allowing me to cut perfect lights every round. All I do is sit in the car. I really am not interested in running a profesional drag racing class that pays very well when you win...I get much greater satisfaction from beating the average Joe for a grand a race....sometimes I even run trophy....cause trophies on the garage wall are cool.

Several years ago I was told there was a local racer using one. The person couldn't prove it and I guess they weren't sure enough about it to protest the car. I hate cheating so I decided to try to do a little research to see how this worked and made some phone calls. This was before the internet was so popular and finding out about things took a little more than a few minutes on google. I called an outfit that was making delay boxes and the guy I was talking to immediately assumed I was trying to buy one of these devices and told me they were illegal. I told him so were delay boxes a couple of years ago and somebody was making those when they were illegal. I corrected him and explained to him that I wanted to know how it worked and how hard it would be to find the device in the car. He told me it would take a person that was knowledgeable in electronics because it would have to a homemade device. He said that the device would have to be activated after both cars were staged and the driver would have to be able to aim the sensor for it at the tree so the sensor would be most likely installed in the fingertip of a glove or the helmet. He said if I wanted to try to prove at least in my mind that a guy was using one to have someone with a flash camera position themself behind the tree in the stands sort of in line with the suspect vehicle and take a snap after the cars were staged. He said this would activate the device and the cheater would go red. I know a flash can be distracting to a driver that's not cheating but having a flash go off never caused me to go red. I stopped racing at the track the suspected chaeter was racing at and pretty much forgot about the conversation until several years later when I was in the tower at another track. There was a guy in there complaining about someone with a flash camera taking snaps while he was staged. This was a guy that was winning races 1st time out with a new car killing the tree right off the bat. Hmmm, kinda makes you wonder.....

I appreciate the comment gearhead. That is the same situation I'm in right now. As for the other bullshit comments, everybody wishes they could run the dial and go 00 on the tree. If your that good why are you running at bullshit races and posting bullshit comments. Just my 2cents.
If you don't have anything positive to comment keep it to yourself or maybe your one of the cheaters that doesn't want anyone to find out how the systems work. Food for thought :!:

:shock: :shock: :shock:

If someone really was doing this...or knew how to build such a device...do you really think they are gona tell you on a public forum? The idea of being able to hide a "tree reader" and be able to succesfully "aim" IT at the tree is ridiculous to me...it would have to be something that could be aimed and that would be very difficult to hide I think. JMO

If you don't like all the electronic boxes and such... maybe run PRO/NO BOX.??
It wouldf be pretty easy to point out a cheater then...cause any type of delay box whatever is illegal, so all that is needed would be to find it on the car. In a class that allows delay boxes and other electronics...it seems to me proving what the box does would be difficult.


JMO no disrespect intended.

Yep you caught me I am a cheater because I can be 00 on the tree all day and take less then .01 stripe at will ... with some more cheating and effort I got my car so it'll back up a # all day..
You'll fine me at most big money races around mich,indiana and I've turned a few win lights on. If you'd like to see my tree reader in action just come on over and check it out, but it looks like any other thumb in a racing glove ..

Calling people cheaters is BS .. find a way to turn on a win light and stop crying .. again this is just my 2cents :roll:

still willing to talk .... :!:

I for one cannot cut a light with a chainsaw.... :oops:

The starter at the track I go to is in a wheel chair, and last time out he rolled over and hit my window with his fist and said "GO!!" :P

Was this after he told you, your stagged with your rear wheels :wink:

I gota try and get every advantage I can.

I try and stage with my stripe taker sometimes :P

We had those guys in Florida some years ago, if you can get the flash thing to work I would try it. If it does make them go red protest the car. Delay boxes were not the best idea but they are legal. The Matty setup is not.

So whats wrong with checking to make sure the playing field is the same. I saw a guy run nine rounds fastest pass 7.802 and the slowest was a 7.816. And you might say great car on a great day. And I would have if the MPH would have close but as fate would have it they weren't. First pass was at 172 mph,2nd 163, 3rd 158, 4th 153, 5th 151, 6th 181 which came right after a oil down in that lane were everyone else ran aleast a tenth off, 7th 149, 8th 143, and the 9th 141. Now still just a great day. But here comes fate on the 181mph pass just after an oildown and his 60ft times were a tenth off and the car still ran a 7.803 on a 7.80 dial. Now is a 40mph swing in MPH compatible with eight 7.80s.
But to say someone is crying or a cry baby, because they're trying to find out about a possible cheater is pathetic. Why have any rules if everything is ok and anything goes. Onedragracer didn't go to his track and call this guy a cheater, he come on the web site with a thread to find out possible info. Which is what this website is for.
Any 3rd grader knows all you have to do is 00 and run the dial. But if thats so easy why isn't everyone doing it.
I'd like to see if anyone has any positive input on the subject and not bashing someone for trying to find out something alot of us might be interested in.
The only way to combat something like this is with information NOT ignorance.
Maybe I'm wrong and nobody has or will ever cheat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like the philosophy of Obama voters.

Its called holding or spay and dump, happens all the time, any 1st grader knows that .. :roll:

00 and dead on happens all day at big $$ races, even happens weekly at a good bracket program. My ignorance will contiune to worry about my stuff, while you guys let what someone else does affect you or better yet get in your mind. A cheater will be caught in due time ... I could tell this guy what to look for, but do you honestly think its going to be that easy to find, I think not ..

Again still willing to keep talking on the subject ....

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[/quote]My ignorance will contiune to worry about my stuff, while you guys let what someone else does affect you or better yet get in your mind. A cheater will be caught in due time ... I could tell this guy what to look for, but do you honestly think its going to be that easy to find, I think not ..

Again still willing to keep talking on the subject .... [/quote]


"you guys......" What your mister winalot and with a 00 and dead on my dial and we're out there just begging for a win. How many wins have you had in the last few years. How many wallys have you won. I'll match our last four years(14 wins,2 Wallys and three track championships) against yours anyday.
"I could tell this guy what to look for, but do you honestly think its going to be that easy to find, I think not .. " Come on now your saying you know about this stuff but your the only one smart enough to talk about it, thats total BS. Your 1500 post don't impress me one bit, just that your a better racer on the forum than at the track.
Its pathetic how someone can say they know the answers to the question at hand, but their only responses are total BS.
Well MR. WINALOT still want to talk on the subject?

I didn't know perfect runs were that common...a buddy of mine did it a few years ago and they had it in National Dragster. I thought it was a sorta rare thing to do. :oops: shows what I know.

My ignorance will contiune to worry about my stuff, while you guys let what someone else does affect you or better yet get in your mind. A cheater will be caught in due time ... I could tell this guy what to look for, but do you honestly think its going to be that easy to find, I think not ..

Again still willing to keep talking on the subject .... [/quote]


"you guys......" What your mister winalot and with a 00 and dead on my dial and we're out there just begging for a win. How many wins have you had in the last few years. How many wallys have you won. I'll match our last four years(14 wins,2 Wallys and three track championships) against yours anyday.
"I could tell this guy what to look for, but do you honestly think its going to be that easy to find, I think not .. " Come on now your saying you know about this stuff but your the only one smart enough to talk about it, thats total BS. Your 1500 post don't impress me one bit, just that your a better racer on the forum than at the track.
Its pathetic how someone can say they know the answers to the question at hand, but their only responses are total BS.
Well MR. WINALOT still want to talk on the subject?[/quote]


A tree reader could sit here and stare 90% in the face and they would have no clue what it was. Apprantley you have been worked over by someone who you think is cheating and your pissed off. I am not pissed off just think when someone gets on here saying what this guy did, bascially complaning because he got beat. Is that not what he said
and I quote


We are drag racers and for someone to get on here and call another a cheater with out 100% knowing is crap. This guys best bet is to go to the track and tell them "hey he is cheating please look his car over" and not get on here and do it. What is he really going to do if he does find what to look for ?? Your answer nothing he is going to sit back and watch .. am I not right ??



He is also on here wanting to find out as much info on this stuff as possible, the matty box is 100% Legal during Time Trials and several do use it (not that I agree they should) but he has the link to the website thats all the info he needs. Does someone really think they dont know what a tree reader does, if he thinks the guy has one he prob knows what it does ?

Again I think he comes across as complaning about getting a whooping on the track .. and cant figure out how to win, I see it all the time local stuff.



I could sit here and type all day .. and argue with you but what would be the point of that. You seem like a decent guy (we've talked a few other times) but dont think for a second your going to impress me with your win count or what you've won because your not. I am by no means saying I am a better racer then anyone on here because I am not. I am a avg racer that has been lucky enough to have a great last 5 years and will contiune to keep racing setting up for .00X and Dead On, isnt that the name of the game ?


and I'll still be here willing to keep talking on this subject ... [/quote]

Not what I said .. Never said Perfect Package.. Said .00 and Dead on, not the same as 000 and on with a 0...

Its a must to setup for this anymore, clearly not the same as it was 5-6 years ago when a 20 bulb was winning all day.

It's not uncommon to have .00x's and within thousandths of the dial, I've been racing 25 years, three track championships when I was able to race every week, and the closest I have had to perfect was my last race, .000 and dead on with a .001 over. I think the early days of those boxes they tried to be too perfect and their runs stuck out like a sore thumb. Anyone smart enough to use one now would vary his runs enough not to be suspected.

Who invented delay boxes and how long have they been around?

Cheating is cheating, and cheaters are gonna get caught sooner or later. Theres nothing wrong with knowing how to spot one. Accusing someone of cheating, and being wrong about it, is not a good place to be either. I think they call that being a poor sport. So if you're gonna call someone a cheat, be damn sure you're right before you say anything. People are naturally suspicious of each other, for instance, I dye my fuel, it drives some guys nuts. Red, blue, yellow, purple, green, it's still just methanol, am i cheating, NO, but some people wonder. It's an old gag and it aint fooling anyone who knows anything, mind games are legal, at least at my home track it is.

Am I going to worry about who's cheating,NOPE, I got better things to do with my time. I got my own car to run, my own lights to cut, to worry about what other racers are doing. Catching cheaters, does not fit my job description. I am such a poor mechanic, and so talentless a driver, that concentrating on those things leave me very little time to worry what someone else is doing, I think thats all David was saying, he certainly doesn't need me to defend him, but I don't think he was purposely trying to bash the guy.

So before you accuse someone of being a cheat, you better check how thick the ice is. Cause you just might fall through.

Earl aka suicidebomb

Earl .. you are 100% correct 8)

This is a good read

http://drr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/t...2/m/9231050593

Thanks David,
And thanks for your link about delay boxes, interesting, and very cool.
BTW, who were the "Dirty Dozen"?

I like the old delay box on that post very cool

Dirty Dozen was a group that were banned from IHRA for using the Matty Box during elminations.

you guys are freeken funny, i'm laughing my ass off at these comments.

No more comments on the set up of the tree readers?
There has to be someone out there willing to share information, not just Bulls**ters trying to be badasses behind a keyboard. No, wait, certain people on here that have been making comments are from Ohio right, maybe you live close to Richard Matty, maybe thats why you don't want to share info. Maybe you got offended because you run the cheating sh*t I'm trying to stop.
Just my opinion :!:

If I am in this list .. You can find me around Mich or Indiana racing.... guess that means I live close to Matty I cheat also :wink: :roll:

and no need to be a bad ass behind a keyboard for any of us, we are just a bunch of racers who have a good time and get info from each other and once in awhile dont see eye to eye thats what makes the world go round, if thats a bad ass 90% of us on here are bas asses

Richard Matty is my roommate, I even cheat on T&T nights. Nawww, I didn't get offended cause you asked for info on the cheating sh*t I run. I got offended, Cause you want my best cheating bullsh*t for free.
Good luck and have a better day.

You think theres bad-asses on here post that question on dragraceresults.com and see what kind of response you get. :mrgreen:

I've got no idea what the hell your talking about (for free). I'm trying to get as much info on the systems as possible to stop the bullshit. A friend of mine that I race with actually had about 15 time slips of a guy we thought was running a matty box. Of the 15 time slips all were a 7.95 dial over 4 different races, different DA, different everything but still 7.95 dial.
No throttle stop and also all runs had varying mph from 135 to 181. When the guy was approached about the situation he put it in the trailer and never came back with that car. Now he has a different car and can't win one round. Explain that :!:
I already have info on the Matty box. I actually called Richard Matty and acted like any potential customer and he explained the system and every option available. Now I need more info on the tree reader so I can go head hunting in the staging lanes.

Try this link. HTTP://www.freepatentsonline.com/5051935.html :D Nick